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Society and History / Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Last post by davedan on Today at 06:07:57 pm »
There were afro-germans fighting in WWI - Most of the major players, the UK, France and Germany had black Soldiers. It was the rather unsurprising result of the colonialism that helped trigger the war in the first place.
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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VjfKxlO-QA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VjfKxlO-QA</a>

Too many black people!?! White genocide!! Erasure of proud European history!! REEEEEEE!!!!!

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...Seriously though, I don't really see a reason to cry over this. There were people of non-European descent involved in the war, at this point he (and the many other idiots on the net) are crying because the percentage of non-whites is wrong. ...Which among the lesser historical inaccuracies in the game and this "40% of British soldiers seem to be black" would only be true if the multiplayer classes were claimed to be an exact representation of the ethnicities in the army. Instead it could just be that the game focuses on specific units and people. Also, complaining because this is a game (one of very few) where you "have to" play a black person is just yet another example of how some people only realize how important representation is when they themselves suffer from it. I don't remember people complaining that they couldn't play a black transwoman in Battlefield 3 for example.

Gotta say, it wasn't as bad as I feared from the clickbait title.

I don't see much of a problem with diversifying WWI armies. The token black German exempted, it doesn't strain credulity for me (though tbf, I've never been a history buff). It may not be historically accurate, but it's hardly immersion-breaking.

I also disagree with his argument that DICE has an obligation to accurately portray the ethnic makeup of WWI armies. Were they using historical figures, I'd agree with him. Were they billing the game as historically accurate, I'd also agree with him. But AFAIK, all the playable characters were created for the game, and it makes no pretenses of being a documentary.

Not to mention how he contradicts himself. Right on the heels of his claim that it's an insult to the memory of those who fought and died, he says people shouldn't learn history from pop culture. So... which is it? Does DICE have a moral obligation towards accuracy, or should people be expected to find the truth for themselves?
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Society and History / Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Last post by Even Then on Today at 05:47:37 pm »
Isn't this an alternate history game anyway? They're whinging about "historical inaccuracy" in a game whose entire premise is a historical inaccuracy, lol.
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by davedan on Today at 04:52:40 pm »
I'm pretty sure most of Fox News don't think it's the truth.
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by pyro on Today at 02:46:51 pm »
People don't usually feel remorse for saying what they think is the truth.
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Society and History / Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Last post by Askold on Today at 01:29:06 pm »
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VjfKxlO-QA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VjfKxlO-QA</a>

Too many black people!?! White genocide!! Erasure of proud European history!! REEEEEEE!!!!!

...

...Seriously though, I don't really see a reason to cry over this. There were people of non-European descent involved in the war, at this point he (and the many other idiots on the net) are crying because the percentage of non-whites is wrong. ...Which among the lesser historical inaccuracies in the game and this "40% of British soldiers seem to be black" would only be true if the multiplayer classes were claimed to be an exact representation of the ethnicities in the army. Instead it could just be that the game focuses on specific units and people. Also, complaining because this is a game (one of very few) where you "have to" play a black person is just yet another example of how some people only realize how important representation is when they themselves suffer from it. I don't remember people complaining that they couldn't play a black transwoman in Battlefield 3 for example.
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Ey, that shit happens, homie.  Least you didn't pull a Paragon and double down, diggin yourself straight into orbit.
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Society and History / Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Last post by Murdin on Today at 07:30:54 am »
I think you're reading things into it that aren't there?

As far I can tell the quote is about inevitability but not justification. The belief that strongmen will happen but no endorsement of that. Rather the opposite, I think.

Yeah, you're right. Just did a bit more research, and it appears that Codevilla isn't exactly a Trump supporter or apologist. Just a fatalistic, out-of-touch ultra-conservative who thinks the republic was screwed either way, because the masses will turn to authoritarianism rather than accept the elite's affronts to the natural order of things. What misled me was his contribution to the Claremont Institute, which tends towards apology (Flight 93 election), as well as the imagery of an ineluctable popular mass uprising against the elites which ironically reminds me of Marx. Something should also be said about his longing for an imaginary past where America truly lived up to her ideals, which fits right into Trump's MAGA rhetoric.

Regardless, the blogger herself was clearly using this quote as a justification for her political opinions. This was actually my main point: anyone can cherry-pick some intelligent-sounding pieces of rhetoric in support of their beliefs, whichever they are. In the Internet age, you will usually be able to find some decently-written essay to quote as a support ; even if you don't, you can always write and publish your own. For that matter, I'm not certain that the second quote captures the entirety of Chesterton's views on the subject matter. I don't really care, though, since he himself was so eager to trivialize the thoughts of other authors and philosophers.

It doesn't excuse the fact that I did overreach by attributing the Trumpism to the quote itself rather than the context of its use. Sorry. I'm not in the best mental state right now, and it was probably a mistake for me to come back here just to rant about someone being wrong on the Internet.
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The Lounge / Re: Random Thoughts Thread
« Last post by Askold on Today at 05:17:01 am »
I just saw a reddit thread where an Anarcho capitalist was defending pedophiles because "fuck statists" and an Alt-right neo-nazi was arguing with him "because faggots need to be thrown in the oven with the kikes." Note that this was commentary on a video where Milo Yiannapopusomething was defending pedophiles because "it is actually about ethics in game journalism."

...These are strange times.
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Politics and Government / Why I voted for Cthulhu
« Last post by davedan on Today at 02:01:46 am »
Given how topical how people vote is and the present fascination with pieces about why people voted for Trump/Brexit - I give you Why I voted for Cthulu by Australian Author John Birmingham:

http://medium.com/@JohnBirmingham/why-i-voted-for-cthulhu-309b8839c204#.yyb19we6y
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